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Lot of Cards & Vintage Basketball rules

 2021 Updated group rules and code of conduct


Introduction:

The following document is a 2021 guideline for members of one of the following Facebook groups:

These are currently the only two groups on FaceBook that Mike Levine is the Admin for these groups.  

Mike is on Facebook here: 
https://www.facebook.com/Lotofcards.  Feel free to friend request, but asking me to join more groups will not be accepted or acknowledged.  Please no solicitation of any of the members of these groups is one of the key rules. 

For the Vintage Basketball Group (the Largest by far) there are two moderators of the group in addition to the Admin (Mike)

These are Chris Ciaglia:  https://www.facebook.com/chris.ciaglia.1
                Rich Clapper:  https://www.facebook.com/rich.clapper


For all questions, concerns or issues you can go to Chris, Rich or Mike for the Basketball group.  For Lot of Cards group contact: Mike

Goal of these groups:   All three groups are set up as private groups on Facebook.  This means only the members of these groups will see your posts.   Family members, friends on Facebook will not see your posts unless they too are also members of the respective group you posted in. These two groups are set up to be hopefully fun, safe and interactive places to share your common interest in sports cards and memorabilia. Due to the size of these groups there must be certain rules.   Some of these rules apply just for you to be a member in one or more of the groups.   Certain other rules apply if you want to buy or sell in the group.   

To be in the group you are a member.  So everything about the “membership rules” applies to everyone in the group/s.   To buy or sell in the group is a privilege and you must follow the rules set below for buyers and sellers if you want to be a member of the group/s.

Applies to all members in one or more of these three groups.

  • Being a member means you will be respective to all group rules or you will be removed from one or more of these groups. 

  • We are set up to be hopefully an escape from some of the stresses of the world, such as politics, religion and other viewpoints.   So no politics or any other viewpoints that could be considered confrontational, controversial or will insight disagreements of other members. In other words nothing relating to politics for sure is allowed! 

  • No swearing, No obscene photos or words (even meant as a joke) are allowed.  We have many parents that enjoy our collectibles groups with their children.  So think PG please at all times.

  • Do not disparage another person’s post.  If you think there is an issue with someone’s post, speak to a moderator or administrator if you have an issue.  Do not comment anything negative about the post even if you feel it is inappropriate or misleading to buyer/s.  Bring your issue to the attention of a moderator or administrator. 

  • Do not argue with a moderator, administrator or any member of the group.   Keep it civil and realize we have many members who may have different opinions than yours.   

  • You must have a valid Facebook account to be in the group and not have a history of issues in your past.   We do check spam databases and other sites when people request to join.   This is where trust comes into play that we hopefully have good and honest people in the group/s. 

  • Our sellers work extremely hard to first figure out what to post, price it fairly and then post.   Please do not try to sell on their post.  For example:  Say a seller posts a Michael Jordan card.   Do not comment on that person’s card unless you are bidding or committing to buy.  Typing something like “ I have that Michael Jordan can and can sell it for less” is grounds for being removed as a member.  

  • There are many other sports collectibles groups, sites and schemes on Facebook and other sites.  It is extremely competitive.  This means our membership list is our biggest commodity.  You are not allowed to solicit, offer up other groups to sell or basically steal information from our groups.   At first notice of this your membership will be revoked.  This means no spam, links or outside advertising without Admin pre-approval.  Which you will most likely not receive.   Not even charity links will be allowed without approval. 

  • There should be no videos of you breaking boxes, doing razzes or contests again without approval. Should you receive a solicitation from a member of the group that you did not request then please report this to the administrator.
  • A certain amount of chit chat is allowed to be posted in comments or fresh posts.  .  However, please really think before you post some sort of question.   Remember your question is going to hundreds and in the vintage basketball group to thousands of people.  THINK BEFORE YOU POST. Abusers of this will be removed from the group. 

  • What is allowed is “In search of”  certain cards.   

  • What is not allowed is “What do you think this is worth”.  This is considered fishing and see below on seller rules.  There are many ways to search an items worth on the web. Easiest is simply go to eBay and look at what did something sell for in the past. Don’t fall for what someone posted and has not sold the card/cards for. 

Applies to buyers in the groups:

  • If you commit to buy or commit a bid this is considered your electronic signature and willingness to pay promptly for the item/s that you have purchased as a “Buy it Now” or and an auction item that you may have won.
  • 99% of transactions are accomplished via using PayPal.  You really need to have PayPal to buy in the group/s.  If you do not then if you are purchasing or bidding you should make the seller aware that you do not have PayPal.   The Seller then can make a determination if she/he will allow this.  For example some sellers strictly will not deal with any other method of payment and that is their right. 

  • Payments on PayPal should be done on Goods and Services payments.   This offers the buyer more protection against issues.  If you get to know the seller and the seller agrees then friends and family payments on PayPal can be done.  However, remember as a buyer you lose your right to put claims into PayPal. 
  • Payments should ideally be made the same day as when you committed to purchase or won an auction. However, we realize that it is a busy world, so as a buyer you have up to 3 days to make a payment.  If you are going to be longer than a day you should message the seller so she/he knows your situation.   If payment is not made in 3 days and there has been no agreed up plan further the auction and or sale will be considered void and abandoned.  The Seller should report this to a moderator and or administrator and in most cases the buyer will be removed from the group/s.

  • You should expect to receive items that you won or purchased in the group/s shipped ideally the next day after payment.   However, then again we all live in a busy world.   So the seller has 3 days after payment to send you tracking information.   You should expect that a seller will communicate with you sending you tracking information either from USPS, UPS or some other form of shipment.   If you do not get tracking information first communicate back to the seller requesting this.  If you get no response then deal with an administrator and or moderator. 

  • Your items should be well packaged securely.  Any issues with the packaging and or items received in the mail should be first reported to the seller.  If you are not getting a satisfactory response from the seller please contact a moderator or administrator. 
  • If you live outside of the continental US then please notify the seller if purchasing or bidding if they will ship to you as the sellers costs are much higher. 

Applies to sellers in the group:

  • Please first and foremost note that if you want to sell in this group/s you must follow all the following rules.  There are no exceptions.  To be candid there is a lot of competition and your rights to sell should be considered a privilege.   If you do not want to follow the rules below then please do not attempt to sell.   Yes, we are tough mostly on sellers as like most businesses the philosophy is the customer (buyer)  is always right and is followed.

  • The only types of sales formats allowed to be posted are auctions (24 hour format) and “buy it now” .   Buy it now listings, is the only type of listing allowed in Lot of Cards for $20.   This means firesales, razzes links to other sites or sales are not permitted without the express permission of the administrator.    (which you will most likely not get approved for)

  • All for sale posts or auctions should list the card conditions to the best of your ability. See the grading standards of PSA, SGC and BGS to attempt to follow as close as you can when describing your card/cards/item.   Terms like PR, FR, GD, VG, EX, NM, NM/Mint and Mint are pretty standard if you read all the information.  Brush up on these terms if you want to sell in the group.  Maybe print yourself some cheat sheets.  You can find the grading standards for PSA here for example:  https://www.psacard.com/resources/gradingstandard

 

  • A buy it now post should include the following:  Your item/s price, shipping price and an accurate to the best of your knowledge description of the card/lot.  Also it must include ideally great pictures.  
    • Great pictures should be as close to the cards as you can see them clearly and well centered.
    • Should be taken out of plastic holders, sheets and other holders so you can clearly see the cards.
    • Especially with the Vintage cards they should show pictures of the fronts and most of the backs of the cards. 
    • Take multiple pictures to best sell  your items.  Especially if they are vintage and have typical wear.   
  • You can not post fishing posts.  Such as “what are you looking for today”.  You can not list “I am filling sets”.  Again quite simply if you want to sell then either list an item/s as a “buy it now” or as an auction.  No posts of what “do you think this is worth?” or similar will be allowed.  If you want to sell then do your homework and come up with a price or list it as an auction. 
  • Please be respectful to the best you can of other sellers and come up with some originality.   What I mean by this is I often see people trying to copy what I or other sellers are selling.  That is fine but perhaps if you can time the auction or listing after their item closes when possible.   This also goes for the way someone lists something.  Try to be original to one show your originality but also not to just copy or plagiarize someone's writing, style or pictures. 
  • The only type of auction allowed currently is 24 hour rule auctions.  The reasoning for this is it is a great differentiator against eBay.  For example with eBay people snipe bid and win things at the last minute.  While this is a nice thing for one buyer on eBay it annoys many other buyers.  Especially with eBay you could be watching an auction for a whole 7 or 10 days and then to lose in the last seconds is disheartening.    With our 24 hour rule as soon as there is a legit bid on an item the clock resets another 24 hours.
    • 24 hour auctions officially end after there have been no bids for 24 hours.   The Facebook clock can be read with a computer browser (not a phone)

    • Using your cursor on a computer and placing it under the timer shows you the time of the bids. 
      For example this shows the 1d meaning it was 24 hours and running the cursor shows the actual minute the bid was done: 

 

  • You should ship ideally using online sites such as PayPal Shipping or Stamps.com.  This allows you to print the tracking number and actually pay for the shipping before you go to the post office or UPS.   Besides being convenient it allows you to be much faster and more efficient as a seller.   Lastly you will get some discounted costs for shipping.

  • Shipping adds a big cost and confusion to your posts for sure.  However, you should not be trying to make money off the buyers by high shipping costs.   In general at the time of writing this you can ship with the following realistic costs and charge these to the buyers.  This is another advantage over eBay selling.  eBay selling has fees and it is almost expected that you offer free shipping.   Using Facebook you have less fees and typically the buyers pay the shipping. 
    • Shipping one to 50 cards can be accomplished by charging $4.00.  If you have top loaders on all those cards they will be too heavy.  Consider using card plastic or cardboard boxes.  It will be cheaper than 50 cards in toploaders. Also seeing you had to take the cards out of the toploaders for the pictures why put them back in if you can safely package the cards more economically.
    • 50 to 100 cards can be sent USPS FIrst Class for $5.00
    • 100 to 500 cards can be sent priority using Flat rate envelopes and a card box for $7.15
    • 500 to 1,000 cards can fit very snugly in a padded envelope that you get free from USPS.com for $8.70.
    • 1,000- 3,000 cards can fit in card boxes inside a medium one rate from the post office for $13.60
    • 3,000- 6,000 cards can fit in 500 count boxes inside a large one rate for $18.60
    • Over 6,000 cards consider UPS shipping instead of USPS based on the weight and rates.  Gets tricky.
    • Be careful to know if someone is requesting to purchase or bidding on your items and they live in Canada or any other country outside of the US.  This does make your shipping more difficult due to customs and costly.

  • You must have an offer from PayPal to sell in the group.   There are no exceptions to this.   Sure you might take Venmo or some other online payment.  You may even take cash, money orders or personal checks.  However, you must offer PayPal as the first and ideally best way for a buyer to purchase from you.  Not having an active PayPal account is grounds for removal as a seller from the group. 
    • Payments ideally should be made to you via Goods and Services.  You can not in your post ask for Friends and Family payments and/or pass the fee for goods and services to the buyers.  Let’s be realistic here and not overly cheap.  Compared to eBay your fees as a seller are much less.  Even if you sell an item at $100 on Facebook.  Your fees to PayPal is only 3% ($3.00).   Eat the fee and be happy to have the Facebook Group as a cheaper and more interactive way of selling.  Again do not pass that fee onto the buyer.   Should they offer to pay Friends and Family or pay you fees that is one thing.  However, do not ask for this.  

  • You must send tracking within 3 days (ideally same or next day) after shipping an item.   There are no exceptions to this rule.  If you use an online shipping tool you simply need to copy and paste this to the buyer in Facebook messenger.  Or send them a picture of the tracking. 
  • Bumps/reminders serve a purpose to move your listing to the top of the daily posts.  However, if you post nice things each comment you receive will do the same thing.  There is a limit of bumps/reminders in a 24 hour period.   You are limited to 2 per day or if your item has a bid and you feel like you must then a 3rd bump/reminder is allowed.

    • A bump/reminder is any comment or reply to a post.   If you are having a dialogue with a specific buyer or person take it to a private FaceBook messenger chat.  Abuse of this is grounds for removal from your rights to sell or your membership in the group. 

  • You can only post 5 new posts as an auction and or buy it now a day.   In the Lot of Cards group we are trialing some exceptions to this but very few.   In Vintage Basketball it is strictly prohibited to post more than 5 per day.   The goal is to give roughly equal time near the top of the feed for all sellers. 

  • Please try to not bump/remind of your auctions at the same time you are posting your (up to) five a day.  If you continually do this it will become a problem. 

In summary the above rules are meant to keep the group both fun and productive for sellers and buyers of sports collectibles.  Please before you get yourself into some sort of negative dialog read the rules and attempt to follow them.    We have seen amazing success in both the Vintage Basketball Group and the Lot of Cards group partly due to having good rules and great people interacting and enjoying the hobby.

            Thank you for being a member of one of more of our groups!

Any questions please feel free to contact:

Mike Levine
603-557-5919

mike@lotofcards.com
Or ideally first on Facebook Messenger